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We Stand For Home Schooling
we stand for homeschooling.org ^ | 5 Jun 2003

Posted on 6/8/2003, 7:14:39 PM by steplock

We Stand For Homeschooling


The very nature, language and essence of homeschooling are being challenged and even co-opted by a vast array of emerging educational programs which may be based in the home, but are funded by government tax dollars, bringing inevitable government controls. These new "home-based" publicly-funded entities are variously called: charter schools, cyber-charters, e-schools, Independent Study Programs (ISP), dual enrollment, Blended Schools Programs (BSP), Programs for Non-Public Students (PNPS), Public School Alternative Programs (PSAP), virtual schools, academies, community schools, home bound, and other newly devised terms and concepts. There is a profound possibility that homeschooling is not only on the brink of losing its distinctiveness, but also is in grave danger of losing its independence. A recent article in Education Week illustrates the problem.

Now, the situation has been upended in an unanticipated manner as proponents of home schooling in California, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and other states use charter school regulations to launch cyber schools. In many cases, youngsters who were already being schooled wholly at home are simply turning to cyber charter schools as a conduit to public funding, but others who had been in classrooms are staying home, too, to take whole schedules of courses online.
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This view is distorted and incorrect. The vast majority of homeschoolers has never sought public funding. The "proponents" are those who would make a profit from publicly-financed home-based education. These proponents are not homeschoolers. The newly-emerging consumers of these programs are being misled into thinking these programs are homeschooling. Anyone who is enrolled in a publicly-funded school program, even if that public school is based in the home, is a public school student and not a homeschooler.

Further evidence of an unprecedented crisis is seen in a report from the Ozaukee Press (WI). Reporting on the development of Wisconsin Virtual Academy, a for-profit K12, Inc. cyber-charter school directed by William Bennett:

[Northern Ozaukee] School Board member Kate Redmond said she liked the idea of using a virtual school to reach out to families that want homeschooling for their children. "It is bringing home schooling under the state's umbrella," Redmond said.
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One of the most blatant examples of "blending" homeschooling with existing public school models is represented in the Okaloosa County (FL) Blended School Project (BSP):

This proposal is designed to create a seamless educational plan for two groups of students: students that are schooled at home and students that are schooled at "government schools" (public schools). The proposal on the following pages would add a third choice beyond just home school or government schools…Blended Schools.
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In an additional report from the Akron Beacon Journal regarding Ohio's TRECA, a cyber-school consortium of multiple school districts:

Educating children at home is the fastest growing element of charter schools in the state. Enrollment could soar from about 3,000 cyberschool students last year to more than 12,000 in the next few years. The superintendent estimates that while the schools receive more than $5,000 in state and local money per child, the cost is only $2,500 per elementary pupil and $3,500 per high schooler. He said public school districts would use profits to fund other school programs, while for-profit companies would pocket the difference.
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What happens to homeschooling when publicly-funded school programs come under fire as has already begun? What will be the inevitable results of this guilt by association? As cited in Education Week:

Ohio's first online charter school-the Electronic Classroom Of Tomorrow, or eCOT-received $1.7 million in state payments for students who may not have met enrollment requirements in September and October of 2000, a recent state audit concludes.
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We understand that it is pure folly to define what homeschooling is because of its diversity; nor can any one group pretend to speak for all homeschoolers. However, some educational programs can be clearly identified as NOT homeschooling. It is time to take a strong stand. Any time home education comes under "the state's umbrella" through public funding, it is no longer homeschooling. It is now public schooling.

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WHEREAS a significant aspect of homeschooling is the independence from government control that it holds for every family regardless of the approach to education they choose;

WHEREAS charter school enrollees are public school students;

WHEREAS publicly-funded programs have co-opted the very language which homeschoolers have developed and utilized for years, including words and concepts such as: home education, family-based, parent-directed, independent family education, and the very word homeschooling itself. Publicly-funded cyber-schools are often misidentified as homeschools and the public will view them as homeschools if they are allowed to co-opt the language of homeschooling;

WHEREAS it is clear that the strongest motivation of the proponents of publicly-funded programs is access to taxpayer monies;

WHEREAS savvy marketing and slick corporate styled PR campaigns are purposely blurring the distinct difference between a publicly-funded cyber-school conducted at a place of residence and a homeschool, and in the process they are insulting parents by stating that homeschooling is extremely "arduous", "you need not feel frantic," and you need an "expert;"

WHEREAS homeschool parents are capable, intelligent people who accept responsibility for their children's education and have been effective without the enticements of a computer, "experts," reimbursements or packaged curriculum, and have succeeded without standards-driven accountability models, testing and other government interference;

WHEREAS the biggest difference between homeschools and publicly-funded school programs is that homeschoolers take direct responsibility by choosing a curriculum, an approach to learning, and the principles and values on which these are based while publicly-funded school program parents accept and follow detailed instructions about what to learn and how to learn it, using a curriculum designed to comply with state requirements and values;

WHEREAS cyber-public schools masquerading as homeschools are justifiably under fire for abuses, inevitably tarring homeschooling with the same brush; and

WHEREAS corporations are finding willing accomplices in school district administrations who are enticed by the financial gains corporations are promising their districts. Public school districts, because of the loss of funding, have pre-empted the for-profit corporations by starting their own publicly-funded in-home programs, even districts which object in principle to charter schools,

NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the words and concepts of homeschooling should not be used by publicly-funded school programs, and/or by the corporations that control them, to seek legitimacy or profit;

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the words and concepts of homeschooling should not be used to seek legitimacy by those who have chosen to enroll in a publicly-funded school program. These families should honestly call such enrollment what it is - enrollment in public school. Their choices should not compromise others' rights to remain independent.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the signers of this statement will work to ensure that the basic right to choose an education consistent with one's principles and beliefs is maintained for homeschoolers by informing homeschoolers and the general public that public school programs (including charter schools) that are easily confused with homeschools threaten the freedom to choose an education consistent with one's principles and beliefs; and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the signers of this statement will encourage homeschoolers to make known explicitly and publicly how public school programs that are easily confused with homeschools, threaten our basic homeschooling freedoms and the nature, language, and definition of homeschooling.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the signers to this document reclaim homeschooling.

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We encourage you to print and circulate this document widely.
We also encourage others to join us by
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View the Original Signers by clicking .

Download this document as an Acrobat .

Print a printer friendly directly from your browser.

Download Acrobat Reader HERE.

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(1) Education Week "The Virtual Schoolhouse," by Gene I. Maeroff, February 26, 2003.

(2) Ozaukee Press, "Virtual school gets go-ahead in Fredonia," by Mark Jaeger, February 6, 2003.

(3) Okaloosa County (FL) Blended School Project Proposal at: http://www.okaloosa.k12.fl.us/stuserv/ci/blended_school_information.htm

(4) Akron Beacon Journal, "Funding falls short for cyberschools," by Dennis J. Willard and Doug Oplinger, July 17, 2002.

(5) Education Week, "Ohio Audit Reveals Difficulties Of Tracking Online Students," by Andrew Trotter, December 5, 2001.


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Your support needed to make strong stand for homeschooling

June 5, 2003 – Please join many homeschoolers and their allies who are publicly taking a stand for homeschooling. Why is this necessary? Because homeschooling freedoms are being threatened by the increase in both corporately-owned cyber charter schools and the creation of school district-sponsored programs directed at homeschoolers. Both are designed to bring homeschoolers under the control of public schools.

There are over 1000 signatures in just two days from a purely grassroots effort with no organization! Obviously this has hit a hot button. Here’s an alert that was sent to an Ohio homeschool statewide group.

Please pass this around to those who could possibly be interested.

Charlene

1 posted on 6/8/2003, 7:14:39 PM by steplock
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To: steplock
Keeping Homeschooling free from government interference--BUMPS!
2 posted on 6/8/2003, 7:22:57 PM by TruthConquers
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To: 2Jedismom
home school ping!
3 posted on 6/8/2003, 7:23:53 PM by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: steplock
I think that this is an attempt to put a crack into the homeschooling movement. You in Ohio and we in Michigan have extremely liberal laws when it comes to homeschooling. If you begin to pit homeschooler against homeschooler, I'm not sure that it won't come back to bite you in the butt.
My nephew is having a great success with the K-12 program which IS a charter in Ohio. Many people have the confidence to educate their children. My nephew and niece-in-law are 24 and were not sure that they could educate their son. K-12 was the answer.
People homeschool for different reasons. I personally am looking at homeschool to keep my daughter out of the element in the district schools. Other people do it for no government control, but if we begin fighting amongst ourselves, we may all lose.
I'm getting into the asbestos suit right now.
4 posted on 6/8/2003, 7:38:45 PM by netmilsmom (God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
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To: netmilsmom
I'm with you. We homeschool and don't use any of the government programs, but I have no objection at all to them as long as they are voluntary.
5 posted on 6/8/2003, 7:59:53 PM by Restorer (TANSTAAFL)
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To: steplock
Bump
6 posted on 6/8/2003, 8:03:30 PM by LiteKeeper
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To: homeschool mama
PING!
7 posted on 6/8/2003, 8:12:32 PM by Houmatt (Real conservatives don't defend kiddy porn!)
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To: Restorer
Ditto. We homeschool and accept no public money. Nor do I think we ever would. However there are some low income families who would like to take advantage of these type of programs.

I favor education choice. I want to be able to choose to school at home. I don't want to take away choices from families that want to school at home with government support. I find it ironic that so many homeschooling organizations are fighting to tell other families that they must homeschool "the right way" or not at all.

8 posted on 6/8/2003, 8:39:14 PM by PMCarey
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To: steplock
Bump
9 posted on 6/8/2003, 8:49:58 PM by Spirited
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To: netmilsmom
I completely agree about the disservice of this kind of "homeschool our way or else" proclamation. I've seen this proclamation discussed at length on a homeschool mailing list. I find it very troubling that some homeschoolers feel a need to be so divisive. I see it happen with private homeschoolers v. charter homeschoolers and even with unschoolers vs. curriculum users. In both cases people often feel the need to say that only their way is "real" homeschooling. I see frankly this kind of nannyism as a sign of insecurity. It's ironic that some of those who worry that charters are a "slippery" slope which will lead to government encroaching on private homeschooling feel the same need to control others' homeschool choices, rather than celebrating that we *do* have choices and the ability to choose what works best for our families year by year.

My personal point of view is that the charter homeschool is empowering. I am using my tax dollars -- the closest we'll ever get to vouchers in CA, I suspect -- to buy what I consider a high quality curriculum, K12. Using the charter also makes it easier for novice homeschoolers to take the plunge and withdraw from neighborhood schools. I personally know of several people who, after trying homeschooling through the charter, went on to homeschool privately. The charter opened doors and helped these people "think outside the box" of traditional schooling.

If the government directly threatens private homeschooling here in CA I would be among the first to declare myself a private homeschool and take a stand against this. Parents should have the right to direct their children's education as they see fit. (Fortunately the state homeschooling climate seems to shifting for the better under the new Superintendent of Education, who has removed language from the state's website telling parents that homeschooling without a credential is "outside the law.") I would also quit if I felt that the charter school teacher or requirements were too intrusive. To date I have yet to hear of a negative experience a CA parent has had with K12 and the California Virtual Academies (CAVA); to the contrary, I hear only that the teachers are very homeschool friendly and supportive.

Free choice includes my right to use my tax dollars to purchase a quality curriculum. To say that I am merely "masquerading" as a homeschooler is a juvenile insult. It is hard to take the hyperbolic language in this proclamation seriously. It is certainly not trying to win friends in a positive way. Why not build alliances by focusing on what unites, rather than what divides?

10 posted on 6/8/2003, 8:54:51 PM by GOPrincess
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To: Cathryn Crawford
As someone who was homeschooled, what's your opinion about homeschooling in general?
11 posted on 6/8/2003, 9:03:12 PM by Sparta (Tagline removed by moderator)
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To: netmilsmom; Restorer; PMCarey
People homeschool for different reasons. I personally am looking at homeschool to keep my daughter out of the element in the district schools. Other people do it for no government control, but if we begin fighting amongst ourselves, we may all lose....netmilsmom

I favor education choice. I want to be able to choose to school at home. I don't want to take away choices from families that want to school at home with government support. I find it ironic that so many homeschooling organizations are fighting to tell other families that they must homeschool "the right way" or not at all.....PMCarey

I'm in agreement with all three of you.

Our version of homeschooling is that we hired the best Christian teacher in the county to teach our two kids when they ran out of private school options in our small town. Within three weeks, we had seven other students joining our school in the third floor of our 1889 house.

That's what works for us.

It is not "traditional" homeschooling but, with a medical practice, I do not have the time to teach and my wife, who only two years ago was saying that public school was good enough for her, is, quite frankly, not cut out to teach homeschool.

Now, the kids are getting the best 6th and 7th Grade education in the county and my wife admits that public school would have been a disaster compared to what we have now.

The bottom line about our school is that like-minded parents and a like-minded teacher have control over our kid’s education.

We can afford to forgo any Government assistance but many families do not have such a luxury.

If you can trust parents to decide how to educate their children themselves, you can trust them to decide how much Government assistance and how many Government strings they are willing to accept.

12 posted on 6/8/2003, 9:23:52 PM by Polybius
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To: Sparta
I enjoyed homeschooling a lot when I was in elementary school. It was nice being at home.

When I got older - about seventh grade - I started disliking it. I didn't have a social life, no real friends to speak of, and I was lonely. We lived in a rural area, so we didn't have the cool homeschooling groups that are available in the city.

By the time I hit ninth grade, I was thoroughly sick of it. I hated it. My parents - after three years - took note, and they enrolled me in a private school for the rest of the time.

I think homeschooling is an excellent concept. It is a great way to educate. I'm certian now that I was much better off at home than in the public school system.

However, the loneliness was great at times, and I didn't know how to relate to people my own age when I did start going to private school. I still struggle with feeling out of place and with confidence when it comes to people my own age. I always feel just a bit uncomfortable. I'm sure I'll grow out of it as I get older.

However, that's not to say that homeschooling is bad! Not at all! I just think that parents need to make certian that the child is getting the interaction they need with someone else besides just the parents. That's very important.

13 posted on 6/8/2003, 10:16:14 PM by Cathryn Crawford
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To: Cathryn Crawford
signed and passed on.
14 posted on 6/8/2003, 11:46:05 PM by lvmyfrdm
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To: steplock; TxBec
BUMP
ping.
15 posted on 6/8/2003, 11:58:22 PM by ppaul
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To: PMCarey
Our state watchdog organization has been very involved with this issue and has a web page devoted to it.

>>These programs present to the public, and governing bodies, a more familiar, supervised and regulated form of “homeschooling.” The eventual result could be a lobbying of the legislature by public education to amend or abolish the Home-based Instruction law, and to re-absorb the homeschooling community into public education under the auspices of alternative education.<<

Washington state has a very generous homeschooling law curently and there has been several attemtps where legislatures have tried to take away rights and privleges we have both purposefully and accidentally (they didnt realize how certain wording in a law relating to public schooled students would effect homeschooled students.) The greatest fear is that if "Alternative Education Programs" become the norm for homeschooling then legislature might rewrite the laws and make independent homeschooling impossible. This would be a big deal in a state such as ours, In other states however APE programs could actually work in reverse and open up strict states to other homeschooling options.

Its kind of a tightwire.
16 posted on 6/9/2003, 3:54:08 AM by kancel
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To: steplock
I have a conflict here. I am for school choice. I am not saying that all parents who choose cyber schools can not homeschool or unschool, but how can we say we are for school choice when we want to deny some people, who could not do organic homeschooling, their choice.

I understand the fear is that our freedoms would erode, but why can't we have it both ways. The more people out of the government schools the better.

If the greedy jackels want their money, they will have to pay attention to the free market.

There will have to be changes made, because people are taking their kids OUT for a reason. IF they clean up the public schools and everyone gets choice, then isn't that ideal compared to the monolopy we have now? BTW I unschool :}

17 posted on 6/9/2003, 5:06:52 AM by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: steplock
bttt
18 posted on 6/9/2003, 5:21:26 AM by tutstar
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Thank you for your thoughtful comments regarding your homeschool experience. Your thoughts on the need for social interaction with other children are especially noteworthy.

As a homeschool dad to a just-turned-eight-year-old, I worry about this, too. I'm not after "socialization" because that is a two-edged sword. Frankly, I don't want my son to internalize the behavior and thought-process of the typical eight-year-old.

The other side to this is that I don't want to raise a hermit, a misfit, a loner. We try to do that by encouraging (and, yes, sometimes insisting on) "extracurricular" activities...Scouting, Junior Golf and Tennis, Tae Kwan Do, outings with kids from families we like and trust.

Our goal is not to pick our son's friends, but to put him in situations where the pool of possible friends is of as high a standard as possible. So far, it's worked fairly well. We've hooked up with a homeschool group headed by a family we admire, and whose son is just old enough to be an excellent youth role model for our son.

The upshot of this is that we're involved in so many activities. We do our part as adults in volunteering with these organizations. Our homeschooled son has more opportunities for healthy interaction with other kids than the typical public-schooled student (if one takes time in class out of the equation). My nephew is a public school kid, and I love him very much. For him, his life is school and home. Nothing else. I think it's a pity, but that's my sister/BIL's issue, and I wouldn't begin to advise them.

That got a little long-winded, but thanks again for your thoughts.

19 posted on 6/9/2003, 5:54:24 AM by TontoKowalski
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To: GOPrincess
I completely agree about the disservice of this kind of "homeschool our way or else" proclamation.

I'm with you, Princess. For all their excellent qualities and passioned defense of homeschooling families, I get a little put out with HSLDA sometimes. Especially their advice to avoid any kind of interaction with public schools.

Some states permit homeschooling families to take advantage of public school facilities and organizations, but not to "buy into" the whole public school course of study.

I'm told this is especially popular in Florida, where homeschooling teens often take Driver's Ed, Music, Lab Sciences, and Foreign Languages in the public school, but homeschool for other courses. I don't know if we'd do that, but I like it that there is an option for those that want to do so.

One of our reasons for choosing homeschooling was that we didn't want to subordinate our educational goals to someone else's agenda. Why would homeschooling families want to shove their agendas on other people?

In essence, we homeschooling families have told the government and all its beaurocracies to "mind your own business." I think it's time for a few of us to heed our own words.

20 posted on 6/9/2003, 6:03:24 AM by TontoKowalski
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To: steplock
Charter schools are not homeschools:

http://hslda.org/hs/state/oh/200306060.asp
21 posted on 6/9/2003, 6:05:48 AM by ladylib
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To: steplock
bump...thanks for the post.
22 posted on 6/9/2003, 6:06:32 AM by Lady Eileen
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To: ladylib
Thanks ladylib.
23 posted on 6/9/2003, 6:13:05 AM by Lady Eileen
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To: TontoKowalski
...Scouting, Junior Golf and Tennis, Tae Kwan Do, outings with kids from families we like and trust.

Sounds like you guys are the ideal homeschoolers. I didn't have any of that. I did play softball for a few years on the city league, but that was only for a few months out of the year and I didn't really make any long-lasting friends.

I have a lot of friends now, but few close ones. I'm not a hermit, but I'm comfortable - sometimes more comfortable - being alone.

Keep up the good work! Your son sounds really lucky - or blessed. Congrats!

24 posted on 6/9/2003, 6:37:47 AM by Cathryn Crawford
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To: ladylib
This type of proposal provides parents with a four track system. Public education that takes place in either an institution or at home and private education that takes place at either an institution or at home. If one wants to say that public home education is not home schooling, so be it.

However that's a semantic argument. The major question is whether or not it is a threat to private home education (or homeschooing if you will.) I think when we increase educational choices, it strengthens the ability for parents to choose private home education.

The public school system has two main arguments against homeschooling: 1) the kids need to be in an institution for socialization, and 2) the kids need the benefits of the curriculum and the expertise of a state-certified teacher. By supporting public home education, they have conceded point #1, reducing them only to argue the second point. I think they have weakened their position, not strengthened it.

25 posted on 6/9/2003, 6:41:07 AM by PMCarey
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To: No More Gore Anymore; ladylib; steplock; TruthConquers; lvmyfrdm; tutstar; annyokie; ppaul; ...
I understand the fear is that our freedoms would erode, but why can't we have it both ways.

Sorry... I don't think we can have it both ways.

SepSchool has a great link that address some of these issues... some of their points are below or to read in its entirety click on :www.sepschool.org/misc/vouchers.html

What about tax-funded vouchers, tax credits, and charter schools?

While tax-funded vouchers, education or scholarship tax credits, and charter schools introduce sorely-needed competition into schooling, they have at least four serious flaws which outweigh their good side.

(This article will refer to vouchers. When all the camouflage is removed, these flaws are also inherent in universal tax credits, refundable tax credits, scholarship tax credits, and charter schools.)

1. Vouchers spread the dependency attitude to independent families currently paying for their children's education.

2. Vouchers obscure the difference between parents who are willing to sacrifice to send their children to a private school from those who are unwilling to sacrifice. This means private schools will lower their standards of who gets in.

3. By creating a flow of money from the state to private schools, vouchers pave a wide road for additional regulations and controls. "When you reach for the money is when they slip on the handcuffs."

A common control is to require voucher-redeeming schools to administer standardized tests. These tests, in effect, dictate the curriculum, as the private schools do not wish to have lower test scores than the "public" schools.

4. Other than expensive prep schools, private and religious schools that refuse to accept the voucher will lose a significant number of their students to voucher-redeeming schools. Many will face the choice of accepting the voucher and its controls or going out of business.

The net result of these flaws is that private and religious schools will become more and more like the "public" schools. In effect, vouchers and other schemes of using tax funds for education will kill the goose that is laying the golden eggs of private education.

26 posted on 6/9/2003, 6:42:23 AM by Lady Eileen
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To: Cathryn Crawford
I hope things go well for you. Let's just say however, that being in a public school might not have made any difference in your ability to socialize. Many students go through public education feeling left out and alone. In some cases, it can be justly said that public education is the one with socialization problem.
27 posted on 6/9/2003, 6:44:03 AM by PMCarey
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To: TontoKowalski
HSLDA did not issue this document.

One of the key problems with choosing to home-school via the use of state or federal dollars is that you are then required to take the state ASSESSMENTS. That's the big "catch" to the choice.....You can't test what you don't teach.

"We stand for Home Schooling" does not demand lock step uniformity, but rather warns us not to get caught in the "Government school web". "No Child Left Behind" is a title carefully chosen and means what it says. They have designed an ALL inclusive system with single "points of entry" built in all along the way from 'cradle-to-grave'. This proclamation serves to point out some of those "points of entry" that may jeopardize your independence.

Bennetts K-12 program is available to independent Home Schoolers and does not have the State/Federal accountability ASSESSMENT albatross attached unless they accept state (tax) dollars to pay for it.

28 posted on 6/9/2003, 7:01:23 AM by codder too
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To: ladylib
>>Charter schools are not homeschools: <<

Charter schools are privately owned schools that receive tax dollars from the state for each child.
They are virtual elementary schools. If what one is looking for is to keep one's child innocent of the liberal agenda and influence of troubled classmates, this is an option.
If one is looking to keep the government out of one's education, this is not for you.
However, if the homeschooling movement begins to infight, we will lose everything.
29 posted on 6/9/2003, 7:06:22 AM by netmilsmom (God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
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To: codder too
"We stand for Home Schooling" does not demand lock step uniformity, but rather warns us not to get caught in the "Government school web".

I'm fine with that warning for the very reasons that you stated. Unfortunately I have seen homeschooling organizations go the route of lobbying the government, opposing these types of programs. That's where I have problems because in that case it a homeschooling organization seeking to limit the educational choices of other families.

30 posted on 6/9/2003, 7:08:13 AM by PMCarey
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To: netmilsmom
Charter schools are privately owned schools that receive tax dollars from the state for each child. They are virtual elementary schools. If what one is looking for is to keep one's child innocent of the liberal agenda and influence of troubled classmates, this is an option. If one is looking to keep the government out of one's education, this is not for you. However, if the homeschooling movement begins to infight, we will lose everything.

Socialism by any other name is socialism.

You're not homeschooling your charter schooling at home. There's a difference.

31 posted on 6/9/2003, 7:11:59 AM by Spiff (Liberalism is a mental illness - a precursor disease to terminal Socialism.)
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To: steplock
The NEA's attempt to federalize homeschooling in the '90s didn't work, so it looks like their next tactic is cooption. Not a bad strategery. No one ever said that evil is completely stupid.
32 posted on 6/9/2003, 7:16:32 AM by Aquinasfan
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To: Polybius
The bottom line about our school is that like-minded parents and a like-minded teacher have control over our kid’s education.

For this you must be severely punished. < /sarcasm>

33 posted on 6/9/2003, 7:17:57 AM by Aquinasfan
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To: TontoKowalski
I think you're on the right track. That sounds like a good strategy. I do think "socialization" is overrated. Children need to be able to relate to people of all ages; not only to kids that happen to be the same age.
34 posted on 6/9/2003, 7:20:37 AM by B Knotts
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To: PMCarey
Many students go through public education feeling left out and alone. In some cases, it can be justly said that public education is the one with socialization problem.

BUMP to that. People forget about the "Lord of the Flies" element in public school. It's very real.

35 posted on 6/9/2003, 7:21:56 AM by B Knotts
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To: Cathryn Crawford
I have a lot of friends now, but few close ones. I'm not a hermit, but I'm comfortable - sometimes more comfortable - being alone.

I have the same feelings but was institutionalized in a government school. When I left school I remember thinking, "Thank God I don't have to hang around with those kids any more." Or, in a more kind way, I'm glad that I'm free to choose my friends.

36 posted on 6/9/2003, 7:22:12 AM by Aquinasfan
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To: Cathryn Crawford
My children are all grown now & homeschooling had not even been thought of in the way it is now when they were young. I don't know if we would have been able to do it. My sons, 2 years apart, bickered fought & needed to be separated. If they had not had time away in school it would have been worse. Our 3rd child was 9 years younger than the oldest child & was very distractable. I can just imagine myself presiding over a 3 ring nightmare.
37 posted on 6/9/2003, 7:22:57 AM by Ditter
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To: Lady Eileen
>>1. Vouchers spread the dependency attitude to independent families currently paying for their children's education.
No, vouchers put the money you are paying for your child's education out of the pockets of the government and back into yours
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2. Vouchers obscure the difference between parents who are willing to sacrifice to send their children to a private school from those who are unwilling to sacrifice. This means private schools will lower their standards of who gets in.
WOW is this an elitist attitude!!!
There is much more sacrifice to sending you child to a private school than just cash. In order to go to any of the private schools here, the parents have to commit to volunteer and attend the church a certain amount of time. If I had the money, my daughter would be there with all of our commitment. Not all parents would do that.
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3. By creating a flow of money from the state to private schools, vouchers pave a wide road for additional regulations and controls. "When you reach for the money is when they slip on the handcuffs."
A common control is to require voucher-redeeming schools to administer standardized tests. These tests, in effect, dictate the curriculum, as the private schools do not wish to have lower test scores than the "public" schools.
True.
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>>4. Other than expensive prep schools, private and religious schools that refuse to accept the voucher will lose a significant number of their students to voucher-redeeming schools. Many will face the choice of accepting the voucher and its controls or going out of business.

This is a matter of free enterprise. This won't happen if the people with the vouchers want it or do not care.
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>>The net result of these flaws is that private and religious schools will become more and more like the "public" schools. In effect, vouchers and other schemes of using tax funds for education will kill the goose that is laying the golden eggs of private education.

This remains to be seen.

38 posted on 6/9/2003, 7:25:11 AM by netmilsmom (God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
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To: Aquinasfan
I have the same feelings but was institutionalized in a government school.

Same here.

39 posted on 6/9/2003, 7:25:39 AM by Lady Eileen
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To: netmilsmom; steplock; Spiff; Aquinasfan
Sepschool--1. Vouchers spread the dependency attitude to independent families currently paying for their children's education.

netmilsmom--No, vouchers put the money you are paying for your child's education out of the pockets of the government and back into yours

Posted by Lady Eileen to Republic If You Can Keep It On News/Activism 04/28/2003 10:45 AM EDT #36 of 58

Republic If You Can Keep It : Vouchers are our only hope.

Lady Eileen: I hope not, because that is the same as saying government, which got us into the present mess, is our only hope. That's because in every voucher system, government politicians decide who gets what, when, how much, etc.

This is not the same as parents keeping their own money and deciding how to spend it on their children's education. The state is still controlling the money and handing it out on its own terms. Sure, vouchers are better than providing only one local school alternative. But they are not freedom. And they are not the state acknowledging its usurpation of parental authority. So they are a small bandaid on a wound that won't heal without surgery.

If we are wise, we won't be distracted from what should be our goal of complete eduational freedom from the state by the siren song of vouchers.

40 posted on 6/9/2003, 7:38:28 AM by Lady Eileen
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Wow. Posts just don't get any better than that.

There's an outline for a very informative column in there. ;-)
41 posted on 6/9/2003, 7:56:51 AM by Scenic Sounds ( "Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.")
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To: Spiff
>>Socialism by any other name is socialism.

You're not homeschooling your charter schooling at home. There's a difference.
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If my child is going to school at home (understand that only 20% of the education is online with K12) you can call it what you like. Home-school, school at home or homeschool, my child is not in a classroom in another building with terror kids and care less teachers.
You want to call it socialism. I call it a decent education for my daughter. You don't want government regulation on your homeschooling, I want you to stay out of my business if I choose to do a virtual-charter.

42 posted on 6/9/2003, 8:19:44 AM by netmilsmom (God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
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To: PMCarey; codder too
I'm fine with that warning for the very reasons that you stated. Unfortunately I have seen homeschooling organizations go the route of lobbying the government, opposing these types of programs. That's where I have problems because in that case it a homeschooling organization seeking to limit the educational choices of other families.

Codder too: I did not mean to imply that HSLDA endorsed this particular proposal, although a review of my post certainly could have led you to believe that.

I meant to use the HSLDA example to point out how sometimes perfectly reputable homeschool organizations take positions that, if carried out, limit the educational choices for parents.

PMCarey said this better in his post, an excerpt of which I've posted above.

For the record: I like HSLDA and support them, but I don't personally endorse every single position they take. Sort of like my relationship with the National Republican Party.

43 posted on 6/9/2003, 8:50:40 AM by TontoKowalski
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To: steplock; netmilsmom; Cathryn Crawford; Lady Eileen; GOPrincess
I read your conversation on this topic with interest. My son became a one-year-old this weekend and my wife and I discuss homeschool vs the local Catholic gradeschool often. There is obviously a diverse body of thought on the topic--as there should be.

The article itself states that there is no single voice for homeschoolers--I don't think the author is attempting to create a "homeschool my way or you're not homeschooling" document. I see this as an important clarion call against government intrusion. It's about the language. What's so important about the language? Language becomes law.

E.g.: The word "regulate" in the Second Amendment has given rise to heated debate over its meaning. In the time of the founders it meant the local militia (us) should be well-apportioned and armed for defense against tyranny. In the modern parlance it means to control and limit. Now, in fighting over the meaning of the word, we are fighting for our Constitutional rights.

If the government co-opts the language of homeschooling in their own curriculum, then you will find the language of homeschooling in legislation and regulation. In short order, the limits imposed on government "homeschools" will apply to your homeschools. How will you fight? It is the law.

This issue is important and the time to take action is before we find ourselves fighting the written word of law against a team of bureaucratic lawyers.
44 posted on 6/9/2003, 8:54:24 AM by pgyanke (God Bless America!)
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To: pgyanke
>>If the government co-opts the language of homeschooling in their own curriculum, then you will find the language of homeschooling in legislation and regulation. In short order, the limits imposed on government "homeschools" will apply to your homeschools. How will you fight? It is the law. <<<

Okay, I get it. It's all a matter of the words.
My great-nephew goes to a virtual elementary school and is not homeschooled. I can live with that.

45 posted on 6/9/2003, 9:10:42 AM by netmilsmom (God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
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To: pgyanke
Well said.
46 posted on 6/9/2003, 9:19:44 AM by Lady Eileen
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To: Lady Eileen
To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical. -- Thomas Jefferson


47 posted on 6/9/2003, 11:33:26 AM by ppaul
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To: ppaul
ppaul...Thanks for the reminder...May God have mercy on us.
48 posted on 6/9/2003, 11:55:28 AM by Lady Eileen
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To: Polybius
If you can trust parents to decide how to educate their children themselves, you can trust them to decide how much Government assistance and how many Government strings they are willing to accept.

Well said and this, I believe, is the crux of homeschooling. We, as parents, are the ones to rightfully decide how, where and when our children are schooled.

49 posted on 6/9/2003, 12:33:30 PM by FourPeas
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To: steplock
I can't seem to find the explanation of how our freedoms as homeschoolers are threatened. Could you please explain?
50 posted on 6/9/2003, 12:36:13 PM by FourPeas
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